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America, what's the crack with cups
Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Binding, as in mixing raw egg into meat loaf to make it cling together? Eeewww!

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Neil Black
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October 2006
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LennyLen said:

I disagree. It was a perfect example of the fact that ratio of ingredients is not the only factor in baking.

It's a bad example because no one meant to imply that the ratio of ingredients is the only factor in baking. It is also a bad example because the thread is not about baking. It is also a bad example because it assumes that we're dumb enough to double the ingredients and double the size of the food item being made and assume it will come out tasting the same.

We will be discussing this at length at the AllegroChicagoCon tonight and come to a binding agreement.

It won't be binding to the people who aren't there.

LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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It is also a bad example because it assumes that we're dumb enough to double the ingredients and double the size of the food item being made and assume it will come out tasting the same.

You've yet to dissuade me of that assumption.

Neil Black
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October 2006
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LennyLen said:

You've yet to dissuade me of that assumption.

I've directly told you that I know it doesn't work that way. If that doesn't convince you that I know it doesn't work that way, then nothing else I can say will.

LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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I've directly told you that I know it doesn't work that way. If that doesn't convince you that I know it doesn't work that way, then nothing else I can say will.

My statement was based on your ability to ignore silly insults. :P

Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

We will be discussing this at length at the AllegroChicagoCon tonight and come to a binding agreement.

Remember to vote on the age of Universe, too.

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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Remember to vote on the age of Universe, too.

I cast my votes in absentee.

The ratio of ingredients is an important factor in a recipe.

Somewhere between 12-14 billion years.

Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

If you have one 10 cm baking form and one 20 cm baking form, you might want to adjust something in the ratio of ingredients, as well as the baking time and temperature. Usually one mixes the baking powder with the flour. Usually one is advised to add and mix the baking powder in the last addition of flour when mixing the batter, so that the reaction doesn't start too early. With a big amount of batter you still have to mix for a longer time, which might need a proportionally bigger amount of baking powder. This is just one theoretical aspect of where the proportions might vary depending on the size.

It's also obvious that a thicker layer of batter in a form needs more power for the gas pockets to develop.

My absolute favourite cake recipe is a chocolate cake, where you just mix everything. You use cocoa powder, no "real" chocolate. No eggs, no butter/margarine, instead you use oil. The magic CO2 bubbles are caused by vinaigre and baking soda.

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Karadoc ~~
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September 2002
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The ratio of ingredients is an important factor in a recipe.

I agree. It is an important factor. Other factors include cooking time, temperature, style of oven (fan forced, wood fire, whatever), quality of ingredients, preparation of ingredient (how things are mixed, order things are mixed, how long it sits for before being baked, ...)

Is this not what LennyLen's is saying? Of course the ratio of ingredients is important, but obviously it isn't the only thing that is important. If some recipe says "mix such-and-such ingredients; put it in a baking tin; bake for 30 mins;" you cannot simply double each of the ingredients and expect it to work. You have to take other steps to account for the doubling of ingredients, such as using two tins, two ovens, and two chefs preparing the stuff a the same time so that the preparation and sitting time and all that other stuff is the same.

There are also situations in which you might vary the ratios of the ingredients to compensate for other effects.

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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Is this not what LennyLen's is saying? Of course the ratio of ingredients is important, but obviously it isn't the only thing that is important.

I never claimed that the ratio was the only important thing. LennyLen just seems to think I did.

When I made my original post on this subject, it was in direct response to someone who was implying that some ingredients (the example given was caramel) need to have the same amount regardless of how much food you are trying to produce. Thus a recipe that called for a half cup of caramel for three servings would also require a half cup of caramel for six servings and for twelve servings. I merely stated that the ratio of ingredients is important.

I didn't specify any of the other important things for two reasons:

One, I assumed that most people understood that the ratio of ingredients was not the only important factor.

Two, the thread was about measuring systems. I didn't feel like starting a tangent about baking by going over all of the things that are important when changing the amount of end product you want to produce. I guess I should have done that, it would have saved a lot of trouble.

I guess hindsight really is 20/20.

LennyLen
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December 2004
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Thus a recipe that called for a half cup of caramel for three servings would also require a half cup of caramel for six servings and for twelve servings.

Hmmm, that's not how I interpreteted alethiophile's post at all. I thought he was trying to say that if you were trying to make caramel (and I have no idea what American's mean when they say caramel; you guys call things by weird names)and you changed the ammount of the ingredients, but followed the same method (ie pan sizes, temperature settings) it would fail. This is the case with what we call fudge here. If you were to increase the ammount you were making, but try to set in the same size pan/tray, it would be too thick and wouldn't set.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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alethiophile
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December 2007
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Thus a recipe that called for a half cup of caramel for three servings would also require a half cup of caramel for six servings and for twelve servings.

What I meant was, you can't make a double-size batch of caramel and use a double-size baking pan and expect it to come out the same; you might expect it to, because caramel is not baked, but merely sets at room temp. The point was that ingredient ratio is not the only factor, which was implied by someone else (Slatibartfast, I think). Also, I think this is the longest tangent ever triggered by one of my posts. :P

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Slartibartfast
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June 2007
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The point was that ingredient ratio is not the only factor, which was implied by someone else (Slatibartfast, I think).

You do realize I was joking?
That's why I put those smilies in that post.

alethiophile
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December 2007
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You do realize I was joking?

I must have missed that. I read what you said originally in someone else's quote of you, not including the smileys.

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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I read what you said originally in someone else's quote of you, not including the smileys.

I tend to not include smilies when I quote someone. Unless they're in the middle of the quote.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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I always include the smiley's applicable to what I'm quoting. Otherwise, you're taking their quote out of context... That said, I also always go and find the original post so I'm less likely to take something out of context. ;)

Neil Black
Member #7,867
October 2006
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bamccaig said:

I always include the smiley's applicable to what I'm quoting. Otherwise, you're taking their quote out of context...

True... dammit, now I have to start quoting smilies.

Johan Halmén
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September 2001

bamccaig said:

I always include the smiley's applicable to what I'm quoting.

And we'll miss all the fun with misconception.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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And we'll miss all the fun with misconception.

This is Allegro.cc. There's still plenty of opportunities for that. :P

weapon_S
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October 2006
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Neil Black
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October 2006
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weapon_S said:

??? Your point being...?

There's still plenty of opportunities for that. :P

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