Stop pretending I read your posts (all I read was what you placed in bold), or remotely care what you think. When you can have a reasonable conversation without attacking, I'll gladly have a talk with you. My reply was to a specific person, otherwise I would not have posted.

God bless.

Mark Oates: Nice one. It is probably the most difficult thing to do, to forgive one's enemies and pray for them. But I am working on it... Bam doesn't make it easy for me though.

What's more, scientists will happily change their beliefs if proven wrong.

Still, we haven't really discussed the original "absolute proof" yet.

It's one the nicest Western traditions to doubt absolute truths, btw. IIRC, there were some revolutions (French, maybe American) about that, people dying for it etc. But who cares these days.

...it's a book....I mean....I love Dark Eden by Chris Beckett, but I know none of it happened...it's just...a book?

That's a very interesting statement. I have to wonder if you have even opened your bible and looked into what it actually says? Tell me, seeing as how I am one of those misguided individuals, explain to me what these verses really say...

Verses on homosexuality from both the old and new testament:

1 Corinthians 5:11 (NIV)
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Isaiah 3:9 (NIV)
The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

Jude 1:7 (NIV)
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Romans 1:26-27 (NIV)
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV)
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

And concerning women (all new testament quotes)...

1 Peter 3:1 (NIV)
Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behaviour of their wives,

1 Timothy 2:11-14 (NIV)
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (NIV)
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Titus 2:3-5 (NIV)
Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

Can you honestly state, after reading those verses, that women should teach and preach in churches (they can teach other women and children actually, but not preach)? That homosexuality should be accepted as okay? Seriously? Which bible does your church go by, because mine says otherwise.

If you don't believe in God, none of this matters and in fact, many will get angry from this. But this is not directed at non-believers so chill out. But if you do believe in God, and claim the bible is His word, than should you not at least do what it says and not make up nonsense which is contrary to it??

Since you quote Leviticus 18:22, what about the rest of Leviticus? Did you ever do work on a Sunday? Did you ever eat pork? Did you ever eat shrimp? Did you ever eat anything that contains fat? Did you ever shave? Did you ever forget to comb your hair? Did you ever were old cloths? It has about 100 random things you cannot do ... go read the whole chapter yourself and then still say you think every single thing in there said to be a sin is a sin and that you try and don't do any of those

Neil's post is an excellent example of how the Bible was so out of touch with humanity and why it is no longer acceptable to practice the horrible things it teaches.

I work all the time on Sunday. What special importance is Sunday? The Sabbath is on the 7th day (Exodus 20:8-11), or Saturday, not Sunday, you cannot find a verse anywhere in your bible that changed it to Sunday. But no, I never work on the real Sabbath, from Friday sunset until Saturday sunset.

As a matter of fact, no, I do not eat pork, or shrimp, or oysters, or lobster or anything that Leviticus 11 tells us is unclean (unhealthy), I haven't eaten in it many many years, and I rarely get sick. I don't recall reading anything about combing hair or shaving, please quote me the verses and I will look into it. I am more than willing to obey it, especially shaving, I have a beard and cannot stand shaving, so that isn't a problem for me.

My point is, and I noticed that you totally evaded it, is that the NEW TESTAMENT (even if you think the old testament is done away with, which it is not) also clearly states that homosexuality is wrong, and that women are not to preach. And the verses I quoted were written by Christ's own apostles, so how do you argue your way around that? Again, look at the verses (from the new testament only if that is what you prefer) and debate them! You cannot, you are evading it. It is the new testament that also speaks out against all this. And you stated that the bible doesn't, and your church seems to think it is all okay. I have proven your church wrong. Make fun of me and try and change the subject all you wish.

To the atheists: You will notice that those who claim to be Christian and claim to believe in God and the bible, when confronted with what it says, will suddenly do a 180 and act like we no longer have to obey it. But they are quick to point out how others are sinners... hypocrites.

I am different, I am strange... I try and actually study my bible and do what it says. I don't cherry pick my verses and ignore the ones I do not like.

Unless of course, God is real, and the bible is his word, in which case this should be obeyed. Just look at the world around you and how it is going to crap since we have implemented all theses rights, and legalized sin. Is it really so much a stretch to think that maybe the bible has been right all along and that maybe what we are doing in our society today has been harmful to ourselves?

I just celebrated my 31st anniversary yesterday. My wife believes as I do, and she is quite happy, we both are. We never argue, we both share in all the work around the house (I cooked supper). Because you see, my bible also tells me to love my wife and not to be harsh with her, so I am not. But nobody who hates God focuses on those verses.

If I were them, I would not be too proud of that fact. They need to seriously rethink what they are doing and saying in here. For their own good.

@Matthew Leverton

Nothing I do is random. You just have not figured on the pattern yet, so you label me as random. its just lack of understanding.

Neil, I bet we can agree on what we think of this

Full version for those of you with nerves of steel:

I hate to admit it, but I would probably be her. Only I wouldn't have put up with him nearly as long.

I'll ignore the long version.

What is interesting to me, is I know the passage they are talking about and it has nothing to do with a rapture (the "rapture" doctrine is not supported in the bible at all).

But I won't give a sermon here.

That's a batshit amount of junk.

Lemme add mine:

And it's right because it's written by Mickael, a well known saint floating around here.

Not asexual, Trinitesque !