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That was really fun to read through. Thank you for posting it. I was slightly disappointed that I didn't post in it, but not entirely surprised, and admittedly relieved that I at least didn't post anything embarassing.

A random idea that just came to mind (I'm not stoned... yet): maybe we could start a thread whose purpose was just to post a link to an interesting thread from A.cc's past. Whether it's programming related, controversial, just lots of trolling, or whatever. Something interesting to read, something to reminisce and remember if you were around for it. I suggest we don't post too frequently in it because long threads take time to read for people with busy lives, but we'd have to post frequently enough to keep it alive so it doesn't get locked.

We also don't want to pull people away from this thread because it would be a shame to let it lock now. Perhaps we could just periodically add a link to this thread even so that conversation could happen around it, but we'd have interesting links in between. The only caveat is that old threads are locked and it's sometimes hard to fight the urge to respond to posts that you disagree with. And we wouldn't want to necessarily rehash past flame wars here, albeit, it may be good for keeping this thread alive (and bad if Matthew uses it as an excuse to lock it!).

Well, it matters to the extent that other people respect him enough to affect their own beliefs and behaviours.

Oh. Yeah. So it literally doesn't matter what he thinks.

Those damned third world countries striving to be wealthy like us. What right do they have to pollute this planet full of our pollution that has made our lives so luxurious and pleasant!?

Developing countries are only going to regulate their emissions if already developed countries are willing to do so to the extreme. For the same reason that somebody struggling through poverty (that they were born into) isn't going to hesitate to commit crimes against somebody born into wealth to live an easier life. That's just human nature.

Developed countries are not "staying the course". We're continuing to increase production and pollution. Leading politicians in both the USA and Canada are backing out of their obligations to reduce emissions. They're doubling down on the oil industry. I wonder why. Surely the science has told them this is safe and reliable. Or wait, maybe it was the monopoly guy.

One thing is for sure. If the climate does get out of control the group of people that will be least affected are the rich and wealthy. It won't even phase them unless conditions get so extreme that the human population dies out (basically all potential subservients die). They will not give a moments notice to the destruction of millions of species of life, many of which may be completely undiscovered so future generations will have to discover them through indirect means the way we discover the dinosaurs. They also won't shed a tear or dollar for the struggles of billions of people, including pretty much everyone you ever met, including your offspring and any hope of your genes succeeding if such a thing exists.

The rich and wealthy like the oil industry big wigs, and to a lesser extent the politicians that deny climate change and give these billion (if not trillion) dollar industries every opportunity to fuck us over.

Rich countries will have to share technology with poor countries in order to help them have clean energy, etc. I'd rather that than providing them with cash, which could be misappropriated. According to the EPA, the USA's CO2 emissions appeared to be trending upward until 2007 and have since been trending down:
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2019-02/documents/us-ghg-inventory-2019-chapter-2-trends.pdf

Peoples' absolute hatred of "the rich" can be a bit sickening, but they make a convenient scapegoat for all of your pain and suffering, don't they, Bam?

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A really intellectual meeting of scientists discussing some of the problems with climate change science. Warning, your brain may explode while watching this, it goes really in depth and has some interesting conclusions I did not expect to be honest.

Why is it a bad deal? Because it would be a radically-Socialist takeover of the economy and prosperity would probably decline. The USA is leading by example already, we don't need to kill ourselves to do that.

Government may have to make some reasonable demands for people, like a requirement for homeowners to either plant a particular number of trees/plants on their property or install solar panels on their roof. I believe California has done the latter, but IIRC they've also recently forbidden people from watering their lawns because that state mismanages their water supply and couldn't handle a drought. Fines might not be necessary though, offering tax benefits is probably a good enough way for many people to adopt these things.

Lab grown meat is an interesting idea to reduce the use of livestock, but I suppose it remains to be seen how long it takes for it to become price competitive with traditional meat. I also don't know if there are any particular nutritional deficiencies or other problems with lab meat, since some of those types of things depend on the animal's diet.

Personally, I've recently gotten interested in hydroponic gardening. It's a pretty good way to grow food with a limited amount of water. I have a jalapeno plant growing in a 5 gallon bucket in my bedroom, and it's fruiting. My room has poor natural lighting, so the plant is living off of about 60 watts of direct LED lighting for 16 hours per day. If I weather proofed well enough to protect the air pump, I could grow it outside. This summer I'm going to grow peppers and tomatoes in organic soil in sub irrigation planters outside. It wouldn't hurt for people to grow more of their own food, but it requires some amount of effort and learning and you know how people are.

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It means that no matter what happens, the people who want to tax the US and spread the money all over the world will be justified, no matter what happens (unless things stay exactly the same, which is virtually impossible)

Arthur Kalliokoski, you may as well talk to a brick wall than to say anything to Edgar. You can show him a ton of evidence against the global warming, global cooling, climate change fraud and he would still demand you show him more evidence, or summarize it for his feeble little brain and then tell you the same old garbage responses about how you are wrong all over again. I gave up on him, I much prefer talking to brick walls.

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Climate change is a joke... an expensive, very harmful one at that. And so I treat it as the joke that it is. I have posted video after video after video with real scientists who tell us why climate change is a fraud and it does not good, at least in here. Statistics show a greater population are waking up and seeing it as the fraud it is. Thank God.

Classic response.

Literally outside of a few issues most other developed countries beat the US, those were literally off the topic of my head and took seconds to verify.

Because of the US's incredible health care system, I had to take care of my mother for six years before she died. All the while, growing up, we lived below the poverty line. My life was put on hold for six years. I am now playing catch up--going to school while working a severely low-paying programming job--while dealing with severe mental illness. The only lucky break I've had is I receive Medicare. Otherwise I'd probably be one of the homeless insane hobos right now.

When you call USA #1 and I've lived the life I have, I simply can't agree.