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[SH11] db - Green Grappler
kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

Dario ff said:

For reference, this really reminds me of the grapple sections in Super Metroid. :)

Not to mention the final dialog.

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The last Metroid is in captivity. The galaxy is at peace.

Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Unfortunately, I don't have anything bad to say about the game.

  1. Game was well balanced between hard and easy. The challenges are hard, but the setbacks are minimal, thanks to the flags.

  2. Animation effects!?!

  3. Comprehensive story!!? :o

  4. Multiple levels?!

  5. Balanced gameplay with perfectly balanced challenges!? How you do that?!

  6. Background styling!

  7. With joystick support!? You gotta be kidding me! fun++; :o

  8. Auto-saves my game when I close it!!?!?! :o:o

...dude...

The only negative things I can even consider mentioning is the difficulty of using the grapple, but even that was assisted making the game less frustrating and more skill-based.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Maybe I should play more levels, but I thought it was insanely easy. ???

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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It was easy, but only because of the flags.

And I wouldn't say that's "too easy >:(" but instead "glad I'm not getting frustrated having replay those sections." It's more of a larger single-serving type game.

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Peter Wang
Member #23
April 2000

I finished this two days ago but I still don't know what to say. It's basically flawless. ('Basically' because at one stage I kept dying after respawning, but restarting the level was no big deal.)

kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

Maybe I should play more levels, but I thought it was insanely easy. ???

Some levels are insanely easy, some others aren't.

Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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This game is the winner for me. It has gameplay, level design, puzzle, graphics...

But I seem to have a problem firing the grappler up-left. All the other directions work fine.

Næssén
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September 2004
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Trezker said:

But I seem to have a problem firing the grappler up-left. All the other directions work fine.

Are you using a 360 controller? That implementation suffers from a couple of dead angels.

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kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

Trezker said:

But I seem to have a problem firing the grappler up-left. All the other directions work fine.

That's probably a keyboard hardware issue.

Trezker
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December 2001
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I'm using a regular keyboard.
Up+Left shouldn't be an issue with any keyboard.

EIDT:
Oh, I was using space to shoot the grappler, apparently that doesn't work well.
CTRL+up+left is working.

:-[

Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000

Awesome ;D

I did find it a bit hard and frustrating, so maybe the laziness rule should have kicked in sooner. Alternatively maybe just having more levels or more reward between challenges would help; or maybe simply not being penalised as harshly (i.e. only losing a few coins) when you hit something?

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Also, I think I'd have appreciated being told explicitly that:

  • The grappler direction is basically one of the eight compass directions depending on which arrow keys are held;

  • The grappler auto-aims to some degree so I don't need to worry too much about it. If I worry too much about it, I'll struggle with something else e.g. a jump trajectory, or just burn out too quickly.

I had to figure these things out myself because I realised it was frustrating not knowing them. I don't think most people would realise what was frustrating them; they'd just assume the game was too hard.

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weapon_S
Member #7,859
October 2006
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...dude...

Just awesome :o I ran into some trouble I blame the developers, though ::) Auto-aim killed me couple of times[1], and jumping was very slightly inconsistent [2].

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  1. I say up+right, auto aim goes for block on the right; I say up, auto-aim thinks up+left is a good place to hook onto the final boss(whcih is impossible :P)
  2. Jump, hold up in air => no jump. Jump, grapple, hold up in air => jump. This killed me a couple of times during the final boss.
Desmond Taylor
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May 2010
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I just can't believe these guys managed to get this done in a 72 hour slot! It's worth while finishing the game for sure :D

someone972
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August 2006
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Out of curiosity, is there a specific chip/system that you got the sounds for the music from?

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kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

Also, I think I'd have appreciated being told explicitly that the grappler direction is basically one of the eight compass directions depending on which arrow keys are held

Agreed. I had some trouble due to this on a level. Unfortunately, it was the first level I played and I almost assumed it was impossible to beat. Once I realized that keys affected movement while grappling, the game became much easier and enjoyable.

I didn't have problems with the auto aiming, though.

MiquelFire
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January 2003
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I had issues where up+side didn't work on aiming for some reason (when jumping, either Up or side, not both), or when it did, I was not in a position for the auto-aim to help me grab something.

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Næssén
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September 2004
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I'm happy most of you seem to like our game. About the auto aim feature, we wanted it to not be so noticable, so players would think that they are good at aiming. It probably needs some tuning before it's perfect.

Also, level design is something that is very hard to do in such a short time. I remember I thought that the first level would be very easy to complete when I made it but it turns out I was wrong. There really isn't enough time to play through games made in competitions like Speedhack and TINS to notice level design flaws.

Out of curiosity, is there a specific chip/system that you got the sounds for the music from?

I used Milkytracker to compose the music. The samples are mostly made with Milkytracker as well using the sample editor to draw samples, generate samples or use a combination of drawing and generating samples. To play the music, we use the excellent Dumb library.

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Trezker
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December 2001
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Well I managed to complete the game.
Are you gonna continue working on it?

I'd like to see volume control so I can listen to other stuff while playing.
And new interesting levels would be nice.

Næssén
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September 2004
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Trezker said:

Are you gonna continue working on it?

We usually never do. One exception is Ballz which Per - together with a friend - ported to Flash. However, this time I might make an exception as I think we ended up with a really nice game. Volume control would definitely be a good feature.

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titonbrujah
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July 2009
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A custom level editor would be a good idea IMHO

Just saying 8)

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Næssén
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September 2004
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A custom level editor would be a good idea IMHO

We used Tiled, so editing levels is a piece of cake.

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Congratulations on best overall ^^

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