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I spent less than Bambams was going to spend |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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In the spirit of the season, I will be receiving the following parts on Saturday:
At some point probably during next week, I will receive:
At some point I plan to decide on an external 1 TB hard drive for backing up on to, which is largely down to aesthetics. On Saturday I'll go and pick up a copy of Windows 7 from one of the local shops: amazingly, PC World actually have the cheapest price! That'll also be an opportunity for me to go and buy any miscellaneous parts that I overlooked. Did I overlook anything? Thanks to demonicmaniac from #allegro for giving me all sorts of advice \o/ [EDIT] -- |
Elias
Member #358
May 2000
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So how much did you spend? According to the thread title it must be less than what bamccaig was going to (about 3000), but I guess it's more than what he did end up with (less than 1500)? I could of course click all your links and look for prices, but I'm too lazy -- |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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I would guess Bruce spent on the order of $2000. He got a fairly expensive case, cpu, motherboard, gpu, and a 120GB ssd. So yeah, I'm thinking $2000 easy, if not $2500. -- |
van_houtte
Member #11,605
January 2010
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Neil's bike is cooler tho ----- Sometimes you may have to send 3-4 messages |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Who can build the cheapest computer that can run Windows 7? |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Matthew Leverton said: Who can build the cheapest computer that can run Windows 7? How well do you want it to run, and do you mind it installed in an old used beige ATX case? (I imagine it could be done for $150-300, depending on how much you care about things like the windows performance scores, and how smooth you want the windows compositing to be) -- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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No used parts. It must include a prebuilt enclosure (i.e., no do-it-yourself cases). And it must boot up before you die. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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A quick play with ncix.com gives me $270.02 (including shipping) or $283.50 with GST.
Could drop the CPU down to a: AMD Athlon II 160U Energy Efficient Processor 1.8GHZ AM3 1MB Cache 20W 45NM $33.51 To save about $30, but I didn't think it was worth it. The drop in performance would be significant. That should do Windows 7, web surfing, as well as office and school type work fairly decently. append: added the hard drive.. can't believe I forgot. append2: And if you wanted a new license of windows 7: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 32BIT DVD OEM $118.80 For a total of: $368.82 + $21.91 (shipping) * 1.05 (tax) ========= $410.27 including shipping and tax. append3: Now, would I actually buy most of those parts for me? Hell no. But hey, it'd work for the average joe. -- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: To save about $30 It's all about saving. No need to include Windows 7 license price. It's just a baseline to make sure the hardware can actually do something. From Microsoft:
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Matthew Leverton said: It's all about saving. I could probably find a cheaper mobo and cpu, and maybe drop the ram down to 1G. It would likely only save another $10-20 though. So without windows, and with the more expensive cpu, it comes to: $250.02 + $20.00 (shipping) * 1.05 (tax) ======== $283.52 Or $249.47 with the cheaper cpu. -- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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From newegg.com:
Total: $179.96 I picked items with free shipping. I don't get charged tax here. Assumes you'd install the OS via USB flash drive. This goes to show you how crappy the $300 PCs that Walmart sells must be. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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I didn't look very hard for any bundles, ncix tends to have some, but usually with higher end components than that. -- |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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Here are the prices I paid, including VAT and delivery. You'll notice I'm quoting a price for each order, not a price for each item. That's because the sellers have been annoying and sent me e-mails containing all prices excluding VAT and then a combined VAT addition at the end, which is too misleading to quote here; and I can't be bothered to reverse-engineer the VAT-inclusive prices for the separate items. Graphics card: £273.96 from ebuyer.com And just this moment I ordered this external hard drive -> quack <- for about £125 (depending on exchange rate). <3 Windows 7 will cost me about £99 when I get it, so altogether I will have spent £1676.50. That's 2653 CAD or 2790 USD, so I guess it is fairly close to Bambams's figure after all I'll probably end up buying some new peripherals later too ... But I reckon I'm allowed to splash out. I haven't replaced my computer for 9 years. Incidentally, this bizarre product appeared in the search results for "202.99 usd in gbp" -- |
Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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Bruce Perry said: nDIVia I don't understand. ----------- |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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<div>Click for definition</div> -- |
m c
Member #5,337
December 2004
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Antec TWELVE HUNDRED Full Tower Gaming Case NO PSU $209.00 OCZ 60G Vertex Series SSD $128.00 AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHZ Black Edition $167.00 Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5 MB - AMD 890FX AMD SB850 $201.00 Mushkin 8G(2x4G) DDR3 1333MHZ PC3-10666 SL CL9 x2 $298.00 MSI R6870 1GB Twin Frozr II (AMD HD 6870) $329.00 Total : $1357.00 I already had a: SeaSonic M12 700W Modulate with EPS 24pin SLI, Active PFC 12cm Fan Pow $199.00 for PSU, as well as keyboard / mouse / monitor Also for GPU cooling, you might conisder getting a card that uses the reference PCB layout and then putting a fullcover waterblock on it. I'm currently considering getting a second 6870 for crossfire as well as waterblocks for the GPUS and 1 for the CPU as well. Because my case has to holes in it for the cooling pipes I will use an external radiator / pump, and keep the heat outside of the case. (\ /) |
weapon_S
Member #7,859
October 2006
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Haha, bamccaig's thread actually inspired me to do some searching as well. 32.99 Spire CoolBox 305 Case + PSU 26.00 Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600 CL9. Dual kit 1GB x 2 36.84 Asrock N68-GS3 / GeForce 7025 46.62 ATHLON II X2 250 3.0GHZ 33.70 WD5000AAKS 500GB +------------------------ 176.96 excluding shipping Price in euro's. All shops national expecting shipping to be somewhere around 50 Euro's. Could throw in a DVD writer for 20 euro's... |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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Most of the parts came today! Royal Mail failed to obey a 'deliver on Saturday' instruction for the SSD, and tried to deliver it while I was at work; so that ended up at the Post Office, and I had to enlist a colleague's help in obtaining it without missing any of the other deliveries. He now has an Easter cake for his troubles. More failfully, when ebuyer's website warned me that timed delivery wasn't available for the memory, apparently it meant it was going to be delivered reaaaally sloooooooowly. Fail. So when I went to PC World to pick up Windows 7 for £99.95, I spent a further £24.99 on the cheapest DDR3 memory I could find: 2 GB at 1066 MHz. I'll probably flog it to someone at work when my other memory arrives. So, without further ado! My actual camera I bought in Japan in 2004 seems to have gradually and completely lost the ability to detect light, so I'm left with my phone's camera - but here we go ... {"name":"30042011105.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/0\/d\/0d4fc0104801621bf6f50e7d28407647.jpg","w":800,"h":600,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/0\/d\/0d4fc0104801621bf6f50e7d28407647"} {"name":"30042011106.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/e\/2\/e29a421773a2dbed5abed8c1e8176ebd.jpg","w":800,"h":600,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/e\/2\/e29a421773a2dbed5abed8c1e8176ebd"} {"name":"30042011107.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/1\/6\/161b5c9fe559d36326563a8682d9ef97.jpg","w":800,"h":600,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/1\/6\/161b5c9fe559d36326563a8682d9ef97"} {"name":"30042011109.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/a\/6\/a66f50633d4a9953d686f07faa204b8c.jpg","w":800,"h":600,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/a\/6\/a66f50633d4a9953d686f07faa204b8c"} {"name":"30042011110.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/c\/2\/c2e14b3ef898a58bae08c0f3c420a2c1.jpg","w":800,"h":600,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/c\/2\/c2e14b3ef898a58bae08c0f3c420a2c1"} {"name":"30042011111.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/e\/e\/ee85c9b146d8ecc76cc46dbe290bb72d.jpg","w":800,"h":600,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/e\/e\/ee85c9b146d8ecc76cc46dbe290bb72d"} {"name":"30042011112.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/8\/6\/867d8d8fc0f55e7b8f18b39683b19d01.jpg","w":800,"h":600,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/8\/6\/867d8d8fc0f55e7b8f18b39683b19d01"} This is where it gets interesting. The heatsink is actually supposed to go 180° rotated compared to how I've mounted it. When I was ordering, I looked at measurements of the heatsink and fan between them, assumed they'd be centred over the processor, and determined that I would be able to access all the memory slots. But the heatsink by itself is centred, and the fan would have been in the way of the memory. So I decided to be creative: I turned the heatsink round 180°, and mounted the fan on the other side away from the memory; but I didn't rotate the fan. It will therefore be pulling the air through the heatsink instead of pushing it, and the air will still blow towards the rear of the case. Good, huh? 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I configured it not to use the SSD for swap, and I didn't really feel like doing anything else today, so I shut it down and it switched itself off in about two seconds. And here's the best part. With the sides off the case, I pretty much couldn't hear it over my existing computer - unless I put my ear to it. Once I put the (soundproofed) sides on, I couldn't hear it at all. I haven't tested it with my old computer off yet, and nor have I tested it under load - but still! So I think we can call it a (not so) resounding success -- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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I think Bambam is still screwing in his floppy drive... By the way, my C64 boots up and shuts off instantly and makes no noise. So I wouldn't call any of that "the best part." |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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In fairness, I still have a BBC Model B in the cupboard. But it does make a noise when you turn it on. It goes BAWWWWWWW-beep. And then you can hear all its processing in the form of interference in that speaker. Oh, the memories There were two slight hitches I didn't mention above. I lost one of the four bits of rubber from under the PSU. I have a feeling it might actually be in the PSU, since one of the others ended up stuck to the grill over the fan. And one of the clips broke on the 5.25" blanking plate with the 3.5" hole in it, which is a shame; so that's a bit loose. I might see if Fractal could send me a replacement at some point. But these are minor woes -- |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Matthew Leverton said: I think Bambam is still screwing in his floppy drive... I finished a few days ago, albeit I'm currently using the DVD drive from my old PC. I plan to still get a slot loading DVD drive for my new one and move this old DVD drive back to the old one. I might also buy a mid-range case (and maybe a new CPU cooler) for the old one and transplant it; eventually. I can confirm that I'm able to play Portal 2 and COD4: MW2 at 2048x1152 with no issues. Heat stays completely under control. I can also tab switch out of games without any problems so I'm suspecting that the problems I used to have was due to a lack of video power. All of the cables are still a mess, but they are sufficiently tucked out of the way so as to not hurt anything, I think. I don't intend to do anything about it for a few weeks or months while I enjoy having a gaming PC again. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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Status update! Running a computer with Windows 7 64-bit, "only" 2 GB of memory, and swap disabled since it's bad for SSDs, turns out to be rather limiting. If I run more than two or three things, I get frequent "Low memory" popups, sometimes offering to close things for me, and if I ignore them then I get random crashes as things presumably fail to check their mallocs. I kinda got Portal to run for a bit if I reduced the desktop resolution first, but it's precarious. I expect it'll be fine once the remaining parts arrive. I also had a strange issue with the audio. When I plugged my speakers in, I got a relentless buzzing sound. After lots of fruitless option raiding and thread reading, I eventually ended up with the computer switched off, the speakers plugged in, and the black flat-panel monitor you see above plugged in. If I turned the monitor on, then it would display "No signal" and the speakers would buzz; and then it would deactivate itself and the buzz would stop. If I did the same with the monitor unplugged from the computer, it didn't buzz. I don't know enough about electronics to have a clue what was going on there, but a forum thread somewhere suggested a "ground loop" whatever that is, and it doesn't happen with my other monitor, a white CRT, luckily! The CRT can go to a higher resolution anyway, so I'm happy for now. I'll have to learn more about it before I think about new monitors ... Anyway, apart from the memory issues, it's brilliant! Everything is completely responsive and smooth. Things load almost instantly. I can put Youtube videos into fullscreen with impunity. Demanding Flash cartoons such as the Madness series actually run at the intended frame rate. That may sound normal for everyone else since I'm sure no one else is silly enough to still have thought 512 MB of AthlonXP 1800+ goodness was actually sufficient any more, but it's a huge change for me. I now really notice when something is DVD-read-speed- or Internet-bound! Oh yeah, I'm also going to have to do something about the Microsoft MIDI synth at some point. >_> -- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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I have not given up on my |
MiquelFire
Member #3,110
January 2003
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64-bit, 2GB RAM... ARE YOU NUTS?! --- |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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My old computer runs 64 bit linux fine with only 1.5Gb ram. Actually it didn't do badly when one of the two 512Mb sticks failed, but adding one stick with 1Gb didn't seem too expensive. XP runs fine too. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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