bit odd innit?

bit odd innit?

killocan

Member #1,556

October 2001

I have a megaman clone¹ that I do some work on every year or so The thing is, and I'm in peace with it, if it's running "on the metal" the sound works fine, both windows and linux (it uses AllegroMP3²), but if I run it on a VMbox, the sounds get corrupted. It's not a VM problem because other sounds are fine. I tryed to give the VM more cpus and memory, but the problem remains, so I guess it is some deep weird magical stuff. I gave up on it years ago, but those times I decide to work on the game (because some cosmic event is playing out) I need to mute the game to avoid listening to the anoying clicks, and then I wonder (this is odd...)

1 https://github.com/killocan/mm1/
2 https://www.allegro.cc/resource/Libraries/Audio/AllegroMP3

Edgar Reynaldo

Major Reynaldo

May 2007

Hi kilocan!

You said VMbox, did you mean VirtualBox or VMWare or just virtual machines in general.

Bad audio is probably related to the vm sound driver. Have you mentioned this to anyone in the VBox community?

I have VBox installed, I could try your megaman clone and see if I get the same results. What OS are you running for your guest machine?

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killocan

Member #1,556

October 2001

Hi Edgar!

I'm using VirtualBox, never tried on VMWare, but I never bother to go all the way and open an issue related to that, because I'm mostly sure it's my fault

Here is the game running on Windows, bare matal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAyUJrnCXMk

At first I too thought it could be a driver problem, but mp3 files plays(VLC) fine on the virtualized system, it's only my game that gets the buggy sound.

Now my VM is running Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS, but I had it on 14.X and had the same issue.

I suspected the almp3.a lib might be to blame, but why? I don't know... If i compile using the exact same file, under Ubuntu 16.04.7 running outside a VM, I get perfect sound.

Since we are here hehehe other than mp3(ogg and like), what file format would be able to hold NES tracks like the ones from Megaman? I guess MOD? But I never found Megaman 1 music in MOD(mod like) file formats that sounded the same, so I defaulted to mp3 each many times bigger than the original game

Edgar Reynaldo

Major Reynaldo

May 2007

I don't have an Allegro 4 reference on this computer. I can't remember what Allegro 4 can do in terms of audio.

Are you loading them as samples or streams?

Can allegro adjust the audio buffer size? You might try that if possible.

mp3 is the best compression you can get I believe, unless you're using MIDI.

I'll check back in a bit once I'm home and I can look at the A4 manual.

Edgar

EDIT
It looks like you can vary the audio buffer size with an audio stream. If you load your sample normally, create an audio stream, and fill it with sample data, you may be able to avoid clicks and delays in the mp3.

killocan

Member #1,556

October 2001

Hey \o Sorry for the delay, I was having troubles accessing allegro.cc.

Edgar Reynaldo said:

Are you loading them as samples or streams?

I use AllegroMp3 to decode the mp3 file on memory as a "SAMPLE":

#SelectExpand
  1PACKFILE * mp3_file = pack_fopen(fileName.c_str(), F_READ);
  2...
  3if ((data_len = pack_fread(mp3_data, data_len, mp3_file)) > 0)
  4{
  5    mp3_handle = almp3_create_mp3(mp3_data, data_len);
  6}
  7...
  8music = almp3_create_sample_from_mp3(mp3_handle);

And when I need to play it:

#SelectExpand
 1voice = play_sample(music, VOLUME, 128, 1000, (int)loop);

I do this because I need the song to loop to a different offset other than 0, allegromp3 should do it, but it didn't work for me, so I transform it into a SAMPLE and set the sample loop position:

#SelectExpand
 1music->loop_start = loop_ini;

So, in the end, what I'm playing is a regular allegro SAMPLE, a BIG one, but a memory sample nevertheless. So I'm guessing the decode process gets corrupted because it's running on a Virtual Machine, but why? It's not "that" memory intensive of an operation, and other, bigger, applications are able to run just fine. Also, I already ran the VM image on a different computer, just in case it was a problem with mine. But, I'll try to play just the smaller sounds (menu select, jump, fire, etc) without the music, I'll comment the code, to see if it's memory related. Playing a single, small, wav file should be ok.

Edgar Reynaldo said:

Can allegro adjust the audio buffer size? You might try that if possible.

I'll try it. But if it works, I'll be guessing: "why?"

Edgar Reynaldo said:

mp3 is the best compression you can get I believe, unless you're using MIDI.

I was not able to find a MIDI file that sounds the same, I don't know if a MIDI file "can" sound like a NES tune, and by "sound like" I mean, exactly the same. It's important that is sounds the same, because I'm trying to clone the game as much as my laziness allows

Thanks!!!

Edgar Reynaldo

Major Reynaldo

May 2007

The only reason I can think of why it produces clicks and pops is either it's too small a buffer size or too big. Too small and it might run out, too long and it might have delays.

I don't think you can vary the audio buffer size with a SAMPLE alone, but I know you can with an AUDIO_STREAM.

Have you tried playing the sound without altering the loop point? It may be misaligned when the buffers get filled. Does it click when the sample loops?

ogg files are still pretty small, and sound good if you want to try an alternative.

Is it just mp3s that do this? Or is it all SAMPLEs?

EDIT
What version of Allegro are you using? 4.4.3 is the latest version, and comes with LOGG, that lets you play or stream ogg files.

killocan

Member #1,556

October 2001

I tried playing just simple wav files from a dat file, and I get the same sound glitch. I'll try QEMU, because that must be some problem with the virtualization... why? that, I guess I'll never know hehehe Because I can play mp3 files (and said WAV files as well) in the virtualized Linux using VLC without any problem. Also, when running native the game sounds fine. It must be some odd thing with the virtualization.

[EDIT] how it sounds native VS running on the virtualized system:
Running in VirtualBox: https://youtu.be/rzHWaXeS_Lw?si=gpyWqLvpU77YyAZ2&t=10
Running native: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAyUJrnCXMk

I'm using allegro 4.4.2.

A side note: i noticed I registered my allegro.cc user in 2001, when I was 15, holy sh**** hahahahaha

Edgar Reynaldo

Major Reynaldo

May 2007

The difference may be the buffer size. SAMPLE objects are handled solely by allegro for the buffering. Like I said, you may have better luck using an AUDIO_STREAM.

From listening to your examples, it seems like it could be a buffering problem. Like the default buffering is too small and runs out.

Can you make a small example program that just loads a SAMPLE and plays it? That would eliminate any errors from loading from a datafile, if that is the problem.

Also, if you can upload your mp3 I can try it on my VBox VM. That could eliminate using an older version of Ubuntu. Maybe your guest sound drivers need to be updated by moving to a newer version of Ubuntu. That won't help though if you want to play on legacy versions of your guest OS.

killocan

Member #1,556

October 2001

Yeah, that's some problem between allegro+fake sound driver on the virtual machine. I created a simple program like you said, it just loads and plays a WAV file, the glitch remains. Since VLC works, I guess it's a Allegro + Sound Driver problem. Well... Ok hehehe I'll finish the game one day anyway I'll test it on Qemu, or test another linux distro... Not now, I have Dr Wily stages to work on first

And thank you very much! I appreciate the time! I guess all those years I just assumed I was the one doing something epically wrong and never thought about testing the API:D

Edgar Reynaldo

Major Reynaldo

May 2007

Try an AUDIO_STREAM and fill the sample data yourself if you can.

You're totally welcome. It's a honor to attempt to help a veteran like you kilocan! Good to hear from you! 8-)

EDIT
OR, you could commit hari-kari and spend a week converting your project from Allegro 4 to Allegro 5. Evert wrote a compatibility layer to help people convert from 4 to 5. You might get much better results and a much better API. Allegro 5 supports mp3 through a simple header file addon.

Either way you choose, I wish you good fortune and swift sailing.

killocan

Member #1,556

October 2001

I'll try to feed the AUDIO_STREAM manually, most out of curiosity

About porting it, I thought about it some years ago, but I do some get/put pixel stuff, to change megaman color for example (when using different weapons), and if my memory is right there is no direct putpixel/getpixel on All5 right? I think that was what put me away from it, I know I can just have megaman in each color on the spritesheet, but anyways

Good to hear from you too! Always good to interact here! This is like THE forum in my S2

Edgar Reynaldo

Major Reynaldo

May 2007

get and put pixel are still there, but you need to lock the bitmap if you intend to change many pixels. Locking memory bitmaps is fast and cheap since they don't have to be downloaded from the GPU. If you keep a memory copy of your megamen and upload them to the gpu as necessary I don't think you'll see a performance hit.

EDIT
Friendly reminder, threads here lock after a week of inactivity.

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