Hate to say it but that's full of warning signs:

• The like/dislike count is hidden on both videos.

• Comments are disabled on one of the videos. The other, I can't fathom why comments appear enabled but there aren't any, given that there are 1.6 million views. Technical glitch?

• The wording "Absolute proof" tells me that it's trying to appeal to scientifically/mathematically minded people, which is a lost cause. I instantly know that the presentation will be difficult to swallow because the creators are pushing an agenda and don't actually know what their audience wants.

I guess you're convinced of the content. Can you summarise it for those of us who would have trouble spending that much time on it?

See also http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion (I'll summarise this too since it could be difficult otherwise: religion is a great way to give many people a sense of purpose, but absolutely must not be pushed on others.)

(I'm being nice because I remember you from years ago )

I'm on Time-Warner cable again, so I refreshed the video at 1:42 when it buffered endlessly and again at 3:16 before I gave up in disgust.

I'm pretty sure if I actually got through it that even a dummy like me would find well known fallacies in the "absolute proofs", but, like claims of perpetual motion or squaring the circle, I'm pretty well convinced it's a waste of time to start with.

I came in here thinking someone had discovered bread pudding...

Exactly which "Bible" are we referring to, as there are an awful lot of differences between them?

Pure shit. I could also make the same episode with 'god does not exist', they didn't used ANY science.

Could this become one of the great A.cc 100 page flame wars of old?

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To say it's 'absolute' proof, is kind of silly. There are many convincing arguments about the completely astronomical odds of earth or life existing at all that make sense to me at least, but then I already believe in God's existence.

For me, the bible speaks for itself. What it says just makes sense^TM. And for anyone who disagrees, what part of the ten commandments are immoral? Summed up they say, love thy neighbor as you love yourself and love God with all your heart, mind and strength. Those aren't very hard to fulfill when you realize just how blessed you are to even exist at all, much less so when you count the rest of your blessings. I fully believe God rewards those who seek him. Since I started believing in God about 13 years ago, my life has slowly and steadily improved, and it's getting better all the time. 13 years ago I never could have imagined myself going back to school and getting a degree, but God helped me have faith, and faith helped me put my life back on track one step at a time. Now I'm on track to graduate this December, and I'm pretty lucky to have gotten a full tuition scholarship to a great school, and I'm very lucky to have been able to get federal loans to cover the rest of the expenses, which were not cheap. When I graduate and get a CS job, I'll be able to pay back my loans in just a year or two, and then my life will finally be put back together again. I gladly give God all the credit. Without His support I would be nowhere.

And Superstar, why'd you have to go and tempt bambam? You know he'll never relent until he's bashed your religion to pieces, because he doesn't have any faith in anything but what he can see with his own eyes. Eyes to see and ears to hear for anyone who would listen. Doubting Thomas wouldn't believe Christ rose from the dead until he felt the holes where the nails pierced his hands and where the spear pierced his side.

Do not doubt, but believe.

Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God".

Good luck trying to get Aetheists to believe in God. Although there is the Bible verse, "With God nothing shall be impossible". Also relevant, "All things are possible for those who believe".

Don't worry about trying to convince Aetheists that God exists. One way or another, they will find out the truth eventually.

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One 'proof' that I remember goes like this. The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that all things tend toward disorder. Explosions create disorder. So how could the biggest explosion of all time (the big bang) create an orderly universe? Have you ever seen a tornado sweep through a junkyard and assemble a boeing 747 out of the parts? Have you ever seen a hand grenade create order? No it creates chaos.

That was one of the arguments anyway, as best as I remember it. Basically it's just saying that because the universe is so orderly, there must be a divine intelligence behind it that created it.

Another argument was how astronomically improbable the formation of the universe was to begin with, because even the tiniest adjustment to the ratio between the strong and weak nuclear forces would have resulted in no stars forming at all. Further along those lines was how ridiculously dependent life is on hundreds of different parameters where if even one was off by a tiny bit no life would have formed on Earth. Example 1 - You need a big planet like Jupiter in the solar system to attract all the asteroids otherwise the Earth would have been pelted, pulverized, and pounded to bits by giant meteorites.

Just some of the arguments put forth. Not saying they're 'absolute' proof, but they make sense to me anyway.

Are they adjustable in any sense, independently? Like from a creator point-of-view. I know nothing about that field, but my guts tell me that it's stupid to think there's no connection. I mean, if there's a ratio, isn't it like pi? God couldn't have created a world with pi not being 3.14159... "Even the tiniest adjustment to the decimals of pi would have made no circles possible."

Oh come on. We haven't had a good old fashioned religious flame war in ages.

What a pussy.