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BAF
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December 2002
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Microsoft released a utility to create the USB key. You also need nothing beyond what comes on the Win 7 disc to do it. It might not be officially supported, but it works, and you don't need any third party items to do so.

I never had any major issues with the partitioner either. Create the size partition you want for Windows and... *gasp*... it leaves empty space for Linux. :P

weapon_S
Member #7,859
October 2006
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You never were good at Lego, right? ;D

bamccaig said:

I initially screwed the SSD into the adapter backwards, which I discovered when the holes didn't line up in the case's drive bay. Once I fixed that, I couldn't get the screws through the adapter.

Although I have no idea what all this looks like (1" screws ?!?), this sounds to me as the first way wasn't backwards, but you used the wrong set of holes in the case.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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weapon_S said:

Although I have no idea what all this looks like (1" screws ?!?), this sounds to me as the first way wasn't backwards, but you used the wrong set of holes in the case.

There was only 4 holes that lined up with the case bays on the 3 1/2" SSD adapter. So either it was designed to only use two holes (on the front) or I had it backwards and it actually uses 4 screws (one in each corner; how it is now, except the case screws don't happily agree with the holes).

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Install an OS on it already! Jeesh. :P

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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USB isn't working. >:( I created a USB drive with a Fedora LiveCD and the Windows 7 DVD, but neither will boot. I've never booted from USB before so maybe I'm missing something, but I think the motherboard is set up to do it... If I just let it go then there's no mention and it just fails to find an OS. If I explicitly select my USB key then it fails with:

Invalid system disk
Replace the d☺

I'm guessing that the MBR (or equivalent) isn't set up properly, but I don't know. I used Fedora's livecd-iso-to-disk tool for both... :-/ Anybody know how to do it manually?

@BAF: Windows instructions aren't helpful because my old computer is overheating right now. :P I can barely keep it running at runlevel 3. :-X In other words, I need to do this from a Linux terminal.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Just temporarily use your current DVD drive in your new computer...

Slartibartfast
Member #8,789
June 2007
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bamccaig said:

I think the motherboard is set up to do it...

You think it is?
Either you set it to boot from a USB disk or you didn't :S
Look for a BIOS setting that enables booting from USB if you have one, and also change the boot priority so the USB disk goes first.

And don't forget to change it afterwards because one day you'd end up accidentally booting from a random USB disk and waste a couple of minutes of your life rebooting and going "guh?"

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I'm guessing that the MBR (or equivalent) isn't set up properly, but I don't know. I used Fedora's livecd-iso-to-disk tool for both... :-/ Anybody know how to do it manually?

No, but there are several programs online that do the same thing, maybe you should try them?
I know Ubuntu has a "USB start up disk creator" usb-creator-gtk || usb-creator-kde.

There's also the matter of what disk you are using, when I tried it myself I found hazy information that some disks you can boot from while you can't from others.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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You also want to make sure the "Legacy USB Disk support" or "Boot from USB" support is enabled in your bios. It isn't always by default. If its not, the bios won't see the USB device at all.

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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...64-bit Windows 7 is 20 GB by itself. >:( I split my SSD in half (~28 GB each) so Windows could use half and Linux could use half to boot faster... Windows is STILL slow to boot (Fedora can boot faster from a disk drive) and it has taken up the entire half for just the OS. :-/ I can't install Steam games because there isn't room on the drive. What do I do? :'( Append: I had to uninstall Steam and reinstall it to my HDD so games would be installed there... I guess I'll also have to remember to install everything there instead. I just created "D:\Program Files" and "D:\Program Files (x86)" for consistency...

23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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bamccaig said:

I split my SSD in half (~28 GB each)

.... your hard drive is only 60GB?

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Uh, if the SSD is slow, you're doing something horribly wrong.

A system should absolutely boot much faster with an ssd. Did you let the windows 7 installer partition the drive for you? it tries to make the first partitioned aligned such that it isn't causing RMW (read+modify+write) cycles when accessing filesystem blocks (makes sure the first filesystem block starts at an erase block boundary).

My desktop starts in about 10s on its Vertex 1 SSD. On a hdd it was up near 20-30 seconds.

.. your hard drive is only 60GB?

His SSD is.

append:

Personally I'd just give the SSD to which ever OS you use the most. And leave the other on the HDD.

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Also, my DVD drive came in today. Except, I have no idea how to mount it. I'm beginning to think it is for notebooks. There are no screw holes on it at all (and it came with zero hardware). Anybody know what I'm looking at here? :-/

.... your hard drive is only 60GB?

My SSD is, yes. I have a 500 GB HDD for primary storage. I just didn't expect to need it so soon... A complete Linux install is probably less than 5 GB (an optimized one can probably be less than 1 GB easy)... Append: That is, a fresh install. Even with all of your applications installed (minus games, which really don't exist in Linux anyway) you're still probably under 10 GB...

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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bamccaig said:

Also, my DVD drive came in today. Except, I have no idea how to mount it. I'm beginning to think it is for notebooks. There are no screw holes on it at all (and it came with zero hardware). Anybody know what I'm looking at here?

If its super thin, its a slim line drive, used in laptops and some mini-itx cases.

If it didn't come with an adapter of any kind (either for the rear data/power connections or mounting hw), you probably want to send it back and order a dekstop DVDRW. Or try and find some mounting hardware for it, and the necessary electrical/data converters as well.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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I figured out why Windows is taking up so much space... :-/ 8 GB pagefile.sys and 6 GB hyberfil.sys (even though as far as I can tell hybernation is disabled). Brillant! I was able to relocate the paging file to my HDD, but I can't seem to figure out how to do the same with the hybernation file...

If its super thin, its a slim line drive, used in laptops and some mini-itx cases.

If it didn't come with an adapter of any kind (either for the rear data/power connections or mounting hw), you probably want to send it back and order a dekstop DVDRW. Or try and find some mounting hardware for it, and the necessary electrical/data converters as well.

That sucks. I really want a slot loading DVD drive. :(

Eagerly waiting more bambam remorse. 8-)

:-[

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Disable hibernation and the page file altogether. Neither are needed.

I would not want a slot loading drive.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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bamccaig said:

That sucks. I really want a slot loading DVD drive.

They exist in desktop form. I have one.

Disable hibernation and the page file altogether. Neither are needed.

Some games will NOT run without some form of swap file.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Some games will NOT run without some form of swap file.

Never had such a problem. I've ran Windows without a swap file for many years now.

But as bambam has discovered, you can easily move it to the hard drive. The hibernation file cannot be moved (as far as I know); but you can disable it which will delete the file. Sleep mode is all you need for something that is plugged in.

Edit:

Be sure to do the same on Linux.

Also, setting up a RAM drive and using it for your temporary files is a good idea. No need burning out that SSD.

BAF
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bamccaig said:

...64-bit Windows 7 is 20 GB by itself. I split my SSD in half (~28 GB each) so Windows could use half and Linux could use half to boot faster... Windows is STILL slow to boot (Fedora can boot faster from a disk drive) and it has taken up the entire half for just the OS. I can't install Steam games because there isn't room on the drive. What do I do?

*cough* Should have listened to me when I told you to buy the 120GB SSD. *cough*

I remember bringing up exactly this point. Spending hours trying to fit onto the 60GB drive, and not having room left over for the games anyway. The 120GB drive was cheaper per GB as well. Meh.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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The hibernation file cannot be moved (as far as I know); but you can disable it which will delete the file. Sleep mode is all you need for something that is plugged in.

Except that AFAICT hibernation is already disabled... :-/ The power settings say hibernate: never. >:(

Also, setting up a RAM drive and using it for your temporary files is a good idea. No need burning out that SSD.

How do you do that in Windows? :-/ I'm guessing it isn't easy..

BAF said:

I remember bringing up exactly this point. Spending hours trying to fit onto the 60GB drive, and not having room left over for the games anyway. The 120GB drive was cheaper per GB as well. Meh.

I was never buying the SSD for games. It was purely for start up times. Windows in particular takes a ridiculous amount of time to boot and since I run Linux for everything other than games that matters to me.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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I get away with a 30GB ssd for my linux installs.

My htpc currently shows:

/dev/sda1 30G 18G 11G 63% /

That's not including /home which lives on a 320GB HDD.

My desktop is similar. Both put linux's / on the SSD by itself, and /home and swap on a HDD.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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bamccaig said:

How do you do that in Windows?

I don't know if it still applies, but you used to do it like

set TMP=c:\tmp
set TEMP=c:\tmp

or something like that.

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Windows in particular takes a ridiculous amount of time to boot

My $400 US box from Best Buy doesn't seem to take too long to boot Win 7, but yesterday (booting windows for the first time in a week) it took me about 40 minutes to get past all the updates, rebooting about 5 times with more updates visible each time. I thought Ubuntu was bad!

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

blargmob
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February 2007
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bamccaig said:

I was never buying the SSD for games. It was purely for start up times. Windows in particular takes a ridiculous amount of time to boot

Real men never turn off their desktops unless it's for an update.

Also, SSDs for games yield huge performance boosts with realtime loading (and, obviously, any loading in general).

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Real men never turn off their desktops unless it's for an update.

Only for kernel upgrades, son!

Wimpy men, such as myself, have multi-boot setups that limit uptimes.

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Well occasionally Firefox won't let me click on flash objects, so I'll press cntl-alt-backspace followed by uparrow and Enter, then I have to click the browser shortcut again. I'm back in tty1 there for a second.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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bamccaig said:

Except that AFAICT hibernation is already disabled... The power settings say hibernate: never.

I've been told this works:

powercfg -h off

Run it from a command prompt as administrator (i.e., right click, run as admin).

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How do you do that in Windows? I'm guessing it isn't easy..

You can adjust the TEMP/TMP environment variables. You could just point them to the hard drive.



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