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Allegro.cc Translator Experiment 2010
type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Dario ff said:

^ Nah, that comment doesn't reveal too much. Also, it's fairly known that everyone's hating me because of the 5th sentence.

Hell yes.

& now, overall.. Out of what I see here, the obvious target for my visit is the U.S. As a person of, urm. "High moral values", I wanna stop teh evil big bad thing.. Now the question is what exactly should I visit there:

N.Y(U.S. financial capital), or.. Washington D.C.

Aaand.. I guess I should reduce the amount of air I breath, and to start adapting to lighter gases.

P.S.
Alternative target suggestions are still welcome.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Without knowing much about this whole water thing, what stops everyone from desalinating sea water and drinking that?

It takes lots and lots of energy (and/or time) to desalinate water, and you'd still have to transport it thousands of kilometers in some cases.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Ron Novy
Member #6,982
March 2006
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Visit Langley, Virginia. They'll put you up in a nice undergruund padded cell...

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Evert
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November 2000
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Isn't there a water cycle? Doesn't the water that we use end up evaporating back into the air? Plus water evaporating in the oceans and being rained down over land.

Yes to all of those.
The reason that doesn't help is the same reason that erosion hasn't broken down all major cities on Earth yet: it takes a while for those processes to operate. The rate at which we use (some) resources is faster than the rate at which they are replenished by nature.

In a sense, even oil is a renewable resource: it comes from organic matter, after all. Problem is, it took hundereds of millions of years to build up the oil reserves we have now. The rate at which we use it is (much) higher than the rate at which it is renewed. Same problem as with fresh water, although the timescale for the oil to be renewed is much longer than the timescale for water to be renewed. Then again, we can survive without oil, but we can hardly survive without water.

Crazy Photon
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July 2002
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what stops everyone from desalinating sea water and drinking that?

We don't have efficient technology to do that yet. That may change if the prototype nanotube purifiers being made can be scaled up.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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I'd say the main reason that the US is running short of drinkable water is mostly pollution. Too many cities dump toxic crap into rivers UPSTREAM of other towns and cities. It can take a lot to clean that crap out of the water. And expensive too.

For a long time the North Saskatchewan river here was horribly polluted. Its been getting a lot better though. To the point that they don't need to use as many chemicals to clean it anymore. Still aren't supposed to swim in the river though ;D so its not clean yet.

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Johan Halmén
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September 2001

That may change if the prototype nanotube purifiers being made can be scaled up.

Then they are not nanotubes anymore.

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Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Then they are not nanotubes anymore.

Sure they are, theres just more of them.

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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

Then it's not scaling.

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Crazy Photon
Member #2,588
July 2002
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Just in case, this is the article that explains a bit about the technology.

Then they are not nanotubes anymore.

Let me clarify: I mean scaling up as in vertical scalability, that is, instead of having a single nanotube, have an array of them. They also need to figure out how to cheaply build them as well, as well as adapting the process to industrial proportions.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Then it's not scaling.

So you cant scale up the amount of things? :o

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"The less evidence we have for what we believe is certain, the more violently we defend beliefs against those who don't agree" -- https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/592870205409353730

Crazy Photon
Member #2,588
July 2002
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Has Jonathan made his translations?

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gnolam
Member #2,030
March 2002
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He has. It's Marco's turn.

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Dario ff
Member #10,065
August 2008
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Great, just 2 more to go.

Oh, and don't bring more attention from the CIA until we finish this, or they'll kidnap me and none of you will see the results.

TranslatorHack 2010, a human translation chain in a.cc.
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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

We promise, Dario bin Laden.

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Dario ff
Member #10,065
August 2008
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Too late...
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TranslatorHack 2010, a human translation chain in a.cc.
My games: [GiftCraft] - [Blocky Rhythm[SH2011]] - [Elven Revolution] - [Dune Smasher!]

GullRaDriel
Member #3,861
September 2003
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Look what you've done, now the CIA is going to take us all ! ;-)

"Code is like shit - it only smells if it is not yours"
Allegro Wiki, full of examples and articles !!

Goalie Ca
Member #2,579
July 2002
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That's okay.. I work for csis and we already got it covered ;)

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type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Dario ff said:

Too late..

My bad..

Dario ff
Member #10,065
August 2008
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Seems like there's some delays with Marco. Don't worry though people, if for some reason he has some problems(cough, real life), the deadline is Sunday's night. Or so I hope, I want to get this out of the door as soon as possible.

All I can say for the patient, is that the wait was worth it. The results are pretty interesting, and it'll change your view on Human/Computer translators surely. ;)

TranslatorHack 2010, a human translation chain in a.cc.
My games: [GiftCraft] - [Blocky Rhythm[SH2011]] - [Elven Revolution] - [Dune Smasher!]

Goalie Ca
Member #2,579
July 2002
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Okay dario, you're promising all this stuff so I expect a paper when this is all done :)

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Evert
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November 2000
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Dario ff said:

The results are pretty interesting, and it'll change your view on Human/Computer translators surely.

Can we get the results from the computer translator for the same sentences at the same time as the actual results?
Also, do we get to justify our translation choices?

Dario ff
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August 2008
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Evert said:

Can we get the results from the computer translator for the same sentences at the same time as the actual results?

Yes, I already did the translations by hand using Google Translator using the exact same order. There's still one extra Italian translation I have to do since two translators joined in during the event.

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Also, do we get to justify our translation choices?

You're free to comment on whatever translation you made when I create the new thread with the results. I'm still wondering if in the translation log, I should put the name of the author at its side.

Goalie Ca said:

you're promising all this stuff so I expect a paper when this is all done

I hope I didn't promise too much. :-[ I'll try to post the results as soon as I get the final translation, and maybe do some analysis later. I think I'll have a pretty busy weekend though, so no extensive documentation of the whole thing for a while. Also, I'm still wondering where should I search for any people interested in the results of this.

TranslatorHack 2010, a human translation chain in a.cc.
My games: [GiftCraft] - [Blocky Rhythm[SH2011]] - [Elven Revolution] - [Dune Smasher!]

Goalie Ca
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July 2002
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;D. I'm an academic so anytime i do something there is a paper to be written :P Stil.. I think it would be neat to write up a little report and I'd help in the analysis and writing.

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type568
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March 2007
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Dario ff said:

You're free to comment on whatever translation you made when I create the new thread with the results. I'm still wondering if in the translation log, I should put the name of the author at its side.

I vote for yes, although..



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